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Windsave WS1000 Wind Turbine

Windsave WS1000 Wind Turbine

Windsave went out of business on 4th September 2009. Unfortunately, this turbine is therefore no longer available. Find out more here.

The roof-mounted Windsave "plug-n-save" turbine system received a lot of publicity after breaking into the mainstream market with a partnership with DIY store B&Q.

But they also attracted a lot of criticism after their marketing exaggerated the outputs that are likely to be generated. (see below)

The current version of this wind turbine is the Windsave WS1200.

More on the B&Q deal
Leaflets in B&Q stores encourage people to "go green without going into the red" and the system has no batteries, no hassle, and sounds like an easy way to save money off your energy bills. It sounds great. But is it really?

The proposition
In their leaflet B&Q say that wind turbines can provide "up to 30% of the electricity your household needs, based on average wind speeds and suitable locations". They also say that installing them is now an "easy and affordable option for almost every home". We think that is misleading. If your particular home is in a large urban area, and especially if you are surrounded by other houses and tall trees, then you're not going to get much power. It may be "easy", it may even be "affordable" (if by that you mean fairly cheap to buy), but if you're not in a windy place the economics and paybacks won't stack up.

Installed by experts
Their £1,498 price includes installation and they say your home will be surveyed first to make sure it is suitable. This is the interesting bit, because amongst all this excitement, there may well be quite a few people placing orders at the stores whose homes are actually entirely unsuitable - structurally, or in terms of wind speeds. What happens in this situation - do you get a refund from B&Q immediately? - it doesn't seem very clear.

Planning permission
They say that unless you live in a conservation area, you're "unlikely to need planning permission". If this were true, of course, it would be great, but the truth is that until the new legislation going through the House of Commons is complete, you will need to make sure with your local planning officer. On the leaflet, Windsave are careful to picture their turbines mounted below roof-line, (which means that under the law you probably won't need planning permission). In reality of course, your turbine needs to be as far above the roof line as you can get it to avoid the turbulence created by the building.

Conclusion
We've got no vested interest in slating Windsave and B&Q. In a way, you've got to admire them for the achievement of breaking into the mainstream market. But we're worried that these machines could disappoint a lot of enthusiastic members of the public, and could damage the reputation of the fledgling micro-renewables industry.

We're keen to hear from anyone who is thinking about, or has bought one of these systems. What have your experiences been - and how is the turbine working so far? Drop us a line!

Link to recent Guardian article about installing a Windsave machine

Newsnight ethical man coverage
Newsnight's 'Ethical Man' (Justin Rowlatt) had various dealings with trying to get a Windsave installed on his London home, and was finally turned down because his site, obviously, was rather unsuitable.

Wind turbines

Swept area

The Windsave has a blade diameter of 1.80 metres. This means it has a swept area, or capture area of 2.55 square metres. The swept area is all important when comparing wind turbines, since it directly relates to the amount of passing wind energy the turbine blades can intercept.

Windsave power output curve

The graph below shows the power produced (in watts) for the Windsave at different wind speeds, based on data supplied by the manufacturer.




Whilst the above graph gives an indication of the instantaneous power you might expect from the Windsave turbine, working out annual power production is more complex. The only way to know for sure is by measuring your wind speeds using an anemometer for a period of time and then working out what a generator like this would produce. Luckily, we've invented something that makes this easy, called the Power Predictor!

Predict the power output of a Windsave wind turbine using the Power Predictor data logging anemometer to record wind speeds and run a simulation of potential energy generation. Click for more info
Cost
£1498 including VAT for a complete installed system by their network of engineers. 'Non standard' installations may incur extra cost. You can't DIY.
Our view
It seems a cheap price for an installed machine, but beware - roof mounting can cause a lot of noise and vibration problems, and performance will always be poor on roofs because of turbulent air.
Blade diameter
1.80 metres
Rated output (W)
1000
UK grants available?
Windsave is fully accredited under the Energy Savings Trust grants scheme, so is eligible for a grant of up to 30% off the fully installed cost (exclusive of VAT).
Warranty
Two year warranty, and they say the expected life is 10 years "depending on conditions subjected to."
Manufacturer
Windsave - 0141 420 7400
Comments (7)Add Comment
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written by Alexander Mills, February 04, 2010
Good Day All

I have a windsave turbine that is in need of some attention
the cone needs to be looked at again and the unit emmits a low drumming sound when in operation
I have been onto the windsave webb site and found that the company has been wound up.
I purchased this unit from B & Q in Peterhead
Since the company has been wound up who now looks after the repair of these units
I assume that someone must have taken over the maintenance of the existing units.

My address is
Shalayna
Bissethill
Longhaven
Peterhead
Aberdeenshire
AB42 0PH

Best Regards
Alexander Mills



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written by George Parr, September 23, 2009
windsave = snake oil salesmen... good riddance!
richardm
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written by richardm, September 23, 2009
To clarify, as of 4th September 2009, Windsave no longer exists. Find out more here: http://www.bettergeneration.co...xists.html
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written by col, September 23, 2009
Been trying to get in touch with Windsave for months...have they gone bust? They owe me a refund on a gross generation metre!
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written by Dr Andrew Highton, September 11, 2009
We had a Windsave 1200 fitted on our garage gable in March 2008. We had initially place the order in 2006, and dealing with Windsave's first installation company, Mark group, was a nightmare. Their second Company, Enterprise, were efficient but had no experience in the microgeneration field. However, their sub-contractor who installed the unit were excellent. Since then the unit has almost met our expectations and passed the 1st Megawatt generated milestone in August 2009. The best it has generated in one day is 14kWh and over the year the average is 2kWh der day. Overall, it has done what it said on the tin at a fraction of the cost of a Swift, which has only a marginally greater potential power output.
ttaylor228
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written by ttaylor228, July 24, 2009
Do not buy this rubbish!
I had an absolute nightmare with Windsave, although the installation company were excellent the product is useless
had to have two invertors, and brakes failed all the time making it overspeed very dangeously in high winds causing high vibration to the walls of our house
I know they doctored the invertor to give over high data readings
B and Q eventually gave the money back but Energy trust would'nt allow me to buy another and use the grant on another turbine although I gave them the grant back, saying the grant had been used?
then why did they back it
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written by Sid Hook, June 11, 2009
Wind turbine WS1000 useless had one two years 130 kw
Told we are going to get upgrade 6.Months ago. heard nothing.
We have a lot of wind in our area,first turbine overspun knocked out inverters.
Its not a lack of wind.
They have changed the design of the tailfin,now turns out of the wind to fast.
To date two turbines,four inverters.
I think its time for watchdog. one big con.

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